CAMABs NEVER knew male privilege growing up, because they were never men, and most often, because they’re not men, they didn’t fit into the rigid outline of what ‘male’ is supposed to look like, and there was severe backlash because of this. For us trans guys, we didn’t have that kinda problem. At the worst, we were probably accused of being dykes, but that’s pretty much it. We are reinforcing the patriarchy by supposedly establishing that to be masculine is better than to be feminine. Also, you do not experience misogyny in the way that women do and will. That is cissexism, and it is generally very different from misogyny.…
Trans men like you and I will NEVER have to deal with the shit that CAMABs deal with DAILY.
We DO need to shut the fuck up whenever they tell us to do so.
The mango bloggers effectively addressed the actual arguments here and here, but I just wanted to say that it’s kind of disheartening to see people unthinkingly repeating this sort of blatant misogyny. And it’s so common.
I’d like you to tell me how the fuck it’s misogynistic for me, a man, to recognize that I need to listen to CAMABs when they speak of their experiences, since, you know, they’re women.
I, as a trans man, need to shut up whenever trans women are talking about their experience.
And you, as someone who I am assuming is cis, need to shut up when trans people are talking about our experiences and calling people out on bullshit.
I don’t believe “gender identities” are socially relevant. They do not affect structural oppression. Society doesn’t care about people’s opinions about they really are inside.
I’ve got a question for you, too. Presumably it’s “cissexist” or “transmisogynist” to say that trans men suffer misogyny at the hands of trans women but not the other way around (right?), because you’re invalidating their gender or whatever. So suppose you see what is ostensibly a “cis” man construction worker catcalling a “cis” woman walking down the street. Is it “transmisogynist” to say that the construction worker is being misogynist? After all, he might actually be a closeted (or perhaps masculine-presenting) trans woman, whereas the woman might actually be a closeted (or feminine-presenting) trans man; surely a woman offering unsolicited comments on a man’s appearance doesn’t count as misogynist street harassment, and it seems pretty cis-centric to just assume that both of these people are cis.
And sorry, but I’m not “cis”.